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Interview: Cynthia Kwon Talks About Google Base & Product Search

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Ok folks, so this is THE interview of interviews and the one I have been wanting to do so badly I could taste it! My main goal when originally starting these CSE interviews was to provide merchant numbers, product numbers, portal goals and other information to help sellers pick and choose which marketplaces to list their products with. In order to accomplish my goal, it is imperative that I get interviews from ALL the CSE’s, including the BIG guys like Google, Yahoo and Live.com shopping engines. The reason I am so happy to get this interview, other than the fact that Google gave me the time of day, is that this QandA with Google completes two of the three big interviews I need (Live seems to always be last in search, but I will continue to try them).

Google Base is a content destination marketplace where users can upload and submit all kinds of their content to be published on several Google services, including Google Product Search and their Onebox results, for products. Google Base users can describe their content through attributes, which help Google to display relevant results when related searches are performed across Google Search and other services.

Google Base is considered to be one of the most popular product classifieds or listing sites in the World and continues to improve their services, tools and documentation in an effort to achieve their vision of making eCommerce, as a whole, faster and more convenient for both buyers and sellers. One of the best things about Base is that it’s FREE and easy for content providers to use. Google also accepts multiple forms of content uploads including Web form, XML, PDF, Microsoft Excel, Text, HTML, Rich Text Format or Word. Currently, Base is only available in English and German interfaces, but is expected to expand in the future.

Official Google Base Blog

The Google Base Blog is where I personally go for the latest updates, news, feature releases and team commentary. It’s a great place to see how Base and Product Search have evolved, including back when Froogle was the official Google product search brand. Data feeds and the world of comparison shopping are always changing, many don’t realize how important it is to stay current on all engine requirements, attribute announcements and other related information that affects how your feeds as a whole or even individual product listings perform. It’s a good idea to subscribe to the blog feed, if you haven’t already.

Another great place to find out more detailed information about Google Base is their official about section. It’s basically a portal style page that organizes all the different sections that contain helpful information for webmasters, merchants and even shoppers interested in learning more about Google Base. The main about Base page contains a brief rundown and links of what Base is, frequently asked questions, screenshots and even some interesting quick facts including cost, reach, how to submit and what makes Base unique.

The Google Base about, help and discussion sections all have information related to Google Product Search as well, but there is also an official about section with more Product Search specifics (it is mostly how users are directed to Base from Product Search, but still has good information). The Product Search about page basically covers what it is and gives users more answers to frequently asked questions such as how to include your items and information about the sponsored results.

For specific information and help with Google Base uploading, technical information and specifications I prefer their thorough and well documented help center. The help center features useful information and links to detail pages of Base topics including help for getting started, managing your account, how to create or post items and even how to troubleshoot common Base issues. There is also some information about Base and Product Search results pages and links directly to the top 5 Base questions.

In addition to the Base blog, about pages, help center and FAQ sections, there is one additional place I go for information and help. The Google Base Group has been in existence for quite some time now and the discussion topics cover anything and everything you could possibly want to ask about or discuss with other Base users. Google Base’s Help Group categories include discussions about common roadblocks, the basics, submitting data, search results, user ideas and even Google Base and Checkout usage chat.

eCopt Interview Icon Roughly how many merchants are included within Google Base?

Google Interview Icon The number of merchants is continuously changing, so it’s hard to say exactly how many are in Google Base.

eCopt Interview Icon Roughly how many products are included within Google Base?

Google Interview Icon This number is changing all of the time, so it’s hard to say exactly how many products are included in Google Base.

eCopt Interview Icon Roughly how many individuals currently work on Google Base support and coding teams?

Google Interview Icon As a matter of policy, Google doesn’t disclose team sizes.

eCopt Interview Icon What other places across the Internet, if any, are merchants and products included?

Google Interview Icon We know most Google users start their searches from the Google.com homepage. We provide merchant and product information directly in those search results. We also provide merchant and product information in Google Product Search (www.google.com/products).

eCopt Interview Icon What, in your opinion, are the highlight features Google Base offers it’s users?

Google Interview Icon Google Base is a service designed for content providers, but it benefits users. Google Base gives content providers a free and easy way to make all kinds of content — from real estate information, to job listings, to recipes — searchable on Google.com. All of this information improves the overall quality and breadth of Google Search results for our users, and it helps them connect with the specific information they are looking for.

eCopt Interview Icon What, in your opinion are the highlight features Google Base offers merchants?

Google Interview Icon Google Base helps merchants expose their products to Google users. It enables content owners to describe and assign attributes to the information they upload, and then Google uses this meta-data to better target search results to what users are looking for.

eCopt Interview Icon Are new features being added and updated often? How often would you say?

Google Interview Icon As with other Google products, we are continuously innovating and adding new features to Google Base.

eCopt Interview Icon How does Google Base plan to stay competitive with sites like Amazon and eBay marketplaces?

Google Interview Icon Google wants to make e-commerce, as a whole, faster and more convenient for buyers and for sellers. This means helping buyers throughout the entire process – from searching for products, to finding the most specific items on the web and submitted through Google Base, and then giving them the option to buy in a secure and trusted way through Google Checkout.

eCopt Interview Icon Where do you see Google Base in the next 3-5 years?

Google Interview Icon Google’s goal is to connect users to the most relevant information, whether it’s online or offline information. While we can’t project what will happen in the future, Google Base has been an important part of that process.

eCopt Interview Icon What Online product marketplaces, other than Google Base, do you personally use to shop from?

Google Interview Icon eBay and Amazon and a select number of other merchants but I always start first with Google.

To Cynthia: Thanks so much for taking the time to participate in our QandA Cynthia! I am glad to see Google playing such an active role in reaching out and taking time to inform their users about specific products or services like Base and Product Search. Some things I really like about these search products are how simplistic to use they are (for merchants or shoppers) and, of course, that you can list items on either for free. I can’t wait until things evolve a little more with some of the technology and other similar services like Google Checkout, it will be interesting for me to see how Google blends them all together in their efforts to organize eCommerce. Again, thanks for the insights you have provided our readers and myself, please don’t hesitiate to reach out to us again in the future, I would love to continue spreading the word about Google Base and Product Search services.

Cynthia Kwon of Google Base

About Cynthia Kwon: Currently, Cynthia is a part of the Strategic Partner Development team at Google. She heads up the partnership efforts for Google Base and the product search initiative. Her mission is to work with leading retail and technology companies in order to provide the best product search experience for Google users.

Prior to Google, Cynthia was an investment associate at Focus Ventures, an expansion stage venture capital firm. During her tenure, she helped lead the investment efforts for the enterprise software and security sectors. In addition, Cynthia has held posts in both marketing and business development for a number of Silicon Valley start-up companies.

Cynthia holds a Bachelor of Science from the Haas School of Business, University of California, Berkeley.

To Meghan: In a way, completing this interview makes me sad Meg, now that it is all wrapped up I don’t get to bug you anymore! Seriously though, thanks so much for all you did to make this QandA with Cynthia happen for eCommerce Optimization. Really, without you I don’t think I would be writing this right now and I certainly wouldn’t be as close to completing my over 100 CSE interviews as this one makes me. I am sorry for bugging you all those times and I really appreciate you updating me along the way, it makes me happy to see that sometimes Google doesn’t forget about the B-list bloggers. Thanks again Meg. If there’s ever anything I can do for you in return, don’t hesitiate to ask me.

To our readers: I hope you all enjoyed this interview with Cynthia Kwon about Google Base and Product Search. If you feel like thanking her for participating, please leave her a comment and let Base know what you think. There’s also a feedback form, if you would rather do it that way. If this is the first eCommerce Optimization interview you have read, be sure to check out all the others in our interviews section. If you liked this interview and don’t want to miss out on the next one, you should subscribe to our articles feed or email updates, that way we can send the content to you!

Google Base is Featured as one of the product classifieds sites on our Product Listing Guide!
Google Product Search is Featured as one of the comparison engines on our Product Listing Guide!

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November 19, 2007 @ 11:35 am

Sir:

Personally, I don’t get a lot of traffic from Google Base. It’s good for merchants to find the price from their competitors. For buyers, I don’t see a lot of sales from Google Product Search.

I am hoping the product searches can be integrated into the search results. Not many people know to search product on Google’s product site!

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November 19, 2007 @ 12:26 pm

Great post and interview. I have a few problems with Google Base and I am sure they are fully aware of these problems already and are working on fixing them, just not wanting to release to much information to the public on what they are doing.

My biggest thing is the fact they want to produce the most relevant information to the consumers but yet the results in my eyes are really not doing this. After submitting to Base for the last 6 months after taking on the job as the CSE guy at my company, I have done a lot of research and optimization of our feeds and the results just don’t show like they should. And after querying the API of merchants who are getting listed much higher then us, I found that many of these merchants were not submitting all the required attributes and much less information about their products then ours.

The whole key I thought to Base optimization was to supply them with as much relevant information as possible about your product and then you should see better results then merchants who are just submitting the basic requirements or less.

I stated information about this on the Gooble Base help group and people tend to not believe me but its pretty easy to query the API and see these results.

I just don’t like the fact that I am sitting here day in day out and trying to optimize and test different things and not get the results merchants are getting who obviously have configured their feed once and let it go.

Another thing I would like to see from the Google Base team would be more blog postings on issues, fixes, and what will information should be added to base to get the best results from the consumer. I know that Google doesn’t like to give up to much info on how to get better results from their algorithm’s, but I feel that Base is a different scenario, because its like she said in her interview, “Google’s goal is to connect users to the most relevant information”. There are plenty of us that have the great information to give but we will need the best techniques to deliver what Google wants in terms of most relevant information.

Another thing would be to have someone from the team reviewing all of the Google Base Help Group Topics and and communicating more there. I know that the Google Base Guy does do respond sometimes and starts his own Topics but this isn’t that often. Many of the same Topics are repeated and could be answered very quickly without repeats if there was more interaction between Google and the community. We all are striving for the same thing and that is to place the most relevant content at the top of the search results.

Sorry to go on and on and maybe not talking as much about the interview subjects but just what I would like to say to the Google Base people. I think its great that they are trying to reach out to us the best they can and appreciate the tools and generosity of information they let us research.

Thanks so much for the article, and thank you Cynthia for spending the time to speak to the people and let us know some of the insights of Google Base

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November 20, 2007 @ 11:44 am

@ Jewelry Master – I have found that it works great for some sites, not so great for others. Comparison shopping really is a fine art, in my opinion. It takes time to perfect, and make work for your niche. Jewelry, for example is very competitive, especially on CSE’s, that may be a reason you are seeing slow trickles, it may also be because your site is newer to the index.

I am a firm believer that merchants should promote anywhere they possibly can, especially the free spots. Even if it doesn’t generate tons of traffic or sales right away doesn’t mean you shouldn’t list for other reasons (branding, links, more exposure, etc).

BTW, Google Product Search results do appear in the regular Web results. They show up in the Onebox area and also sometimes below the top ten natural listings, I refer to that area as the Twobox.

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November 20, 2007 @ 12:02 pm

@ Dan Shields – Thanks for all the feedback you provided Dan. This is exactly the kind of commentary I think Google should listen to and I definitely agree with many of your ideas. Hopefully they listen to us!

Yes, I have been reassured that Google is aware of many of the Base issues and was told that they are hard at work fixing these issues in addition to adding to their Base services. Keep in mind, it is still in beta (Froogle never left beta, so sometimes that doesn’t mean much).

I am sure relevancy will improve as they continue to gather data from all their services and implement their findings into the products algo.

I too have gotten frustrated when optimizing data feeds. I am of the belief that it depends on the type of products you sell as to what attributes to include. Many merchants just add them all thinking that if I give them everything they will certainly like me better than the rest. This isn’t always true, especially with Google. Keep in mind all the other factors that go into ranking at Google. Many of the Web algo filters are used within, or as a core part of their other services. So domain age, authority, descriptions and hundreds of other things are used in addition to attributes (attributes are used more to classify and display the results, they do not necessarily mean you will rank higher in the results).

Many people I have worked with have had the same dilemma with working their butt off to test and optimize their feeds, only to find that there is no visible increase in rank or placement. I always tell them not to get frustrated, that testing and analysis of performance is a key part to figuring this whole thing out and getting the best results for a given url or product line. They are both things that should always be done and refined as you go, it’s important since the search landscape is always changing.

I agree with you on the Base blog and Group idea. It is crazy that they don’t post more often and provide us with their changes as they happen. I mean come on, they have over 5,500 RSS subscribers and their second to latest post is from back in July. I wish I could post that often and maintain 5,000 plus subscribers, only Google. At least they post more often than the Live Product Search blog.

Thanks again for such a thorough comment and your insight. Together we can help to change the way things are done and improve the tools we need to gain exposure in these markets. I will do all that I can to relay your ideas to their team in addition to sending some of my own. Until then, if you think of anything else, be sure to report it here.

Don’t give up! Keep trying new things and eventually you’ll find the perfect data feed blend for your company. If you ever need help, let me know, I would be happy to provide additional thoughts, if I can.

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November 21, 2007 @ 7:21 am

Thanks for the response, I guess I never really thought about the whole algo thing being more than what you submit as attributes. I thought that was the difference between SEO and Base optimization.

I’m still going to be trying new things and leaving any feedback that I can on this Blog. I really enjoy your post and the fact you go out there and get the answers from these companies we are trying to figure out.

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January 3, 2008 @ 8:05 am

I actually only include the bare minimum in my feed to post up there and have the first slot on most of my products. We have a very strong website for robotic lawn mowers and I’m sure that helps more than anything. It also helps to have key words that your competitors are using in their titles, and if possible use the lack of certain words to find niche markets. I would have to agree with eCopt, Base and Product Search, are using more than just the attributes to rank products. They are definitely going back to the page you link to and other sources.

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January 6, 2008 @ 1:42 pm

@ Preston – It’s not always a bad thing to put less in your feed files, especially when you sell in such a niche market. Thanks for the further insights and for sharing your experiences, look forward to more in the future.

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